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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2018, 07:22:48 PM »

I agree that finding a similar quote by a Canadian would be preferable, but my point in the post was: The CNP needs to show it is not racist. The details of how, specifically, that is done (MLK, a Canadian, or some other way that doesn't use a quote etc etc etc etc) can be worked out.  There are a myriad of ways to do it, but it needs to be done.  The sooner the better, and a very quick and very easy way to do it, with virtually no risk, is to use the MLK quote.  A huge problem is solved with a small amount of copying and pasting.

The full quote (taken from his famous longer speech) is:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

I understand your point that MLK was not perfect (like the rest of peoplekind), but President Ronald Reagan created a national public holiday in the US named after him, so I find it extremely difficult to believe that the CNPs enemies (the MSM, left, etc) would ever slander him in any way whatsoever.  And, quite frankly, let them try; if the CNP is unable to make them look bad, and us look good after that, then the CNP is undeserving.  (The only people that slander MLK in practice seem to be the far right.)
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2018, 08:01:43 PM »

True, everyone has some issues, that is part of mankind.

Maybe Sir John McDonald might have a good quote. H was a nationalist.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2018, 09:03:47 AM »

#1: Vote of non-confidence in our current Prime Minister.

I do not think this is a policy that could ever realistically be implemented:

1.  There is an election in 18 months, and it would take about this long to complete the process of gathering support for a vote.
2.  The Liberals have a majority in the HoC, so it would be virtually impossible to convince enough opposition members (including at least 20 Libs, all NDP, and all Bloc) to vote against Trudeau, even if we were not this close to an election.  If his party is not rebelling against JT by now, they never will (unless, perhaps, his face becomes horribly disfigured in a fire).
3.  If such a vote were successful it would trigger an election - which is happening in 18 months anyway.

Since it is not realistic, this policy could appear to be irrational and angry (IMPEACH JUSTINE TRUDEAU!!!!), something this party definitely does not need.

Is this necessary as a policy per se?  I think we all agree JT must go, but perhaps a better way to do this is by being a serious party that puts continual pressure on the government by criticizing it when it does things wrong - like all other political parties are doing. 
Trudeau is a gift to the opposition that keeps on giving, and the CNP should take advantage of that.  There has been virtually no criticism of JT by the CNP so far...

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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2018, 11:44:51 AM »

This brings up the (white) elephant in the room.  I would argue for a "Canada for Canadians" policy where Canadians are people with a CA passport.

Unpopular opinion (probably not on this forum):
No piece of paper can magically make someone Canadian.

Ahmed Abdul who just got off the plane yesterday and moved into Montreal isn't, and can never be, a Canadian like I am a Canadian.  Just like I will never be a Syrian if I moved there.
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2018, 01:53:50 PM »

We should be colourblind, like MLK wanting to be judged not on the colour of his skin but on his moral character etc.  In fact, I would argue that MLK quote should be somewhere visible on the CNP website.

Why should we be colourblind? No one else is colourblind. This isn't about judging anyone.

Colour is just the most obvious 'surface' aspect of ethnicity and I believe its important (gee....I think that's one of the reasons we're all here). We certainly don't need to overtly use the word 'white', but we shouldn't be timid about speaking about the (historic and real) traditional Euro founding stock of Canada. That is something we need to defend, for the honour of our ancestors (70 years ago, this would be a no-brainer).

I have to say I think including an MLK quote in the CNP website is a ridiculous idea. Who are we trying to please? To whom are we trying to sell-out, before we even really get started?

And....I agree with what Smith said, RE a piece of paper. Its insulting to say that a passport makes someone a "Canadian". Gee..how much we've lost our sense of traditional community and bond in our respective localities of Canada.
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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2018, 03:56:09 PM »

“the Aryan races will not wholesomely amalgamate with the Africans or the Asiatics. The cross of those races, like the cross of the dog and the fox, is not successful; it cannot be, and never will be."

Sir John A. Macdonald

"if [the Chinese] came in great numbers and settled on the Pacific coast they might control the vote of that whole Province, and they would send Chinese representative to sit here, who would represent Chinese eccentricities, Chinese immorality, Asiatic principles altogether opposite to our wishes; and, in the even balance of parties, they might enforce those Asiatic principles, those immoralities . . . , the eccentricities which are abhorrent to the Aryan race and Aryan principles, on this House"

Sir John A. Macdonald


That's Canadian. Quoting Americans like MLK is not Canadian. Concern about being 'racist' is very American, and didn't get forced on our culture until American military ascendancy post WW2.

I understand that a lot of Canadians have extremely Americanized values because of American dominance in our media and on the world stage. Democracy, egalitarianism, individualism. But that is not us. We are the loyalists, we stood against all that. We are peace, order, and good government. Peace is the antithesis of egalitarianism, order is the antithesis of individualism, and good government is the antithesis of democracy.

Remember who we are.
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2018, 06:16:03 PM »

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As others have mentioned, similar to the 1930s Germany "economic miracle",
. A large part of that program was based off Feder ideas. I will be reading his book "German state on national and socialist foundation" I can pick out points and do a review here. Will be interesting as alot of countries came to German to study their model. As well I want to study  the south recovery after the civic war.
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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2018, 05:20:56 PM »

True, everyone has some issues, that is part of mankind.

Maybe Sir John McDonald might have a good quote. H was a nationalist.

he was appointed by the crown.
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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2018, 06:04:26 PM »

  • Issue a vote of non-confidence in our current Prime Minister.

The PM can be replaced by the will of the Governer general who is appointed by the PM. People should read the constitution.. it's useful when trying to use the rules they play by against them.

  • Nationalize the Bank of Canada, increase reserve ratios, and offer low-to-no interest loans to public institutions.

It's already nationalized, it's not like the USA federal reserve. We just don't use it at all. We don't want to use it either. It's linked to the IMF, BIS, and  We want to leave it alone, and make a new bank that would give us a 0% loan.  the BoC needs it's charter rewritten and it needs transparency.

  • Reduce immigration, saving as much as $30 billion annually, deport border-crossing migrants, and require new citizens to pass an examination demonstrating their understanding of Canadian history, language, and government. Limit dual-citizenship eligible countries.

I would eliminate dual citizenship. I'm sorry but either you're canadian, or you're not. You can't be canadian part of the time when it suits you.

  • Abolish the income tax for single individuals earning less than $25,000 or those married and jointly earning less than $50,000.

The simple way is to eliminate all the tax deductions and lower the overall tax rates at the higher amount. It would work out with sales taxes.

  • Withdraw from trans-national legal agreements, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), and North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which undermine the sovereignty of Canada. Subsidize and protect (through the use of tariffs) key industries that are unique to Canada’s natural resources. Fair trade agreements must generally be favored over free trade in global markets.

We don't need terriffs we just don't accept those products. Also, the only way to fix our environmental laws is to leave these free trade agreements and start over. Terrifs are things taht Canadians pay and raise the prices canadians pay for products. If they put them on or we put them on, Canadians are still punished.

  • Disallow social welfare for those who have been citizens for less than 5 years.

Immigrants sponsors should be liable for 5 years like in the USA.

  • Introduce a nation-wide harmonized sales tax (HST) and harmonized estate tax (HET).

We got the GST. BC also voted down the HST as it raised the cost of living. We're not going back to that. Estate taxes are easily beaten by trusts and blind trusts and living trusts as well as putting assets into corporations and being share holders where the shares are passed on to the relatives as gifts.

  • Provide tax relief and higher interest savings accounts for investors and businessmen based on percentage of Canadian employees, percentage of wealth in Canadian banks, and the extent to which they engage with Canadian businesses.

We don't need tax relief, we need a national taxation reform from the ground up. A complete reset and restart.

  • Lower small business tax to 7% to encourage entrepreneurship and new job creation.

How about this make their first 25k income tax free. After that they pay taxes on everything above. using a progressive income tax chart.

  • Introduce a property ownership tax on foreign individuals and firms to stabilize domestic housing prices.

I would ban foreign and business/corporate ownership of single family homes, condos, and mobile homes. Except in the places of ski hills and other venues that have timeshares like that would be designated by law. Also mobile homes would be allowed for work camps. I would limit business ownership of timeshares to 60% foreign and 40% Canadian. After all we live here, why do we need a place on a ski hill unless were rich.

  • Abolish the federal carbon tax.

This is a no-brainer, it's just a tax. It does nothing to reduce carbon.

  • Introduce a federal education program emphasizing topics on Canadian history and athletics.

I have two thoughts on this:  Option A: privatize public education and here is why. The textbooks are created by private companies, and we use the curriculum created by them. Dumping it back in their laps would force them to fix the books and courses and make the education system matter. Option B would do a complete reset of the education system dumping off all the privately created textbooks and the system makes their own education curriculum based on skills and things they will need for the real world and electives that help them express their interests.

  • Newlywed couples be eligible for a marriage loan, 20% of which is forgiven with each common child.

this one is right out of the playbook of well I don't have to say it. which sticks out like a sore thumb. What we should do is give Canadians 500 dollars for having a kid every month until they are 18. So if they got 6 kids great. This way is easier, if they screw up their spending it's on them.

  • Transition to a two-tier healthcare system, reducing wait-times by introducing market competition.

we would not need to if we simply militarized healthcare. That would eliminate all the bullshit right out of the gate. get rid of the administrators in the system. You have to remember when they created health authorities, they added more people to the top, and cut the funding from the bottom. You know where real doctors are at and need the funding. Also By militarizing we eliminate the entire billing system of billing who pays for this or that and all that. You get service and get it done. Just require anyone visiting to Canada to purchase daily insurance while they are here. Purchase 3 Canadian pill manufacturing Companies and then only cover the top 1000 medications that Canadians that are prescribed as part of a requirement for their mental or physical health for them to be able to live a good life. If we own the presses we have more money. Sound crazy? Not really.

  • End inter-provincial equalization payments.

We would not need that if we federalized and militarized healthcare.

  • Release a national transportation strategy addressing urban congestion and projected demographic growth.

Maglev trains are the only option to solve this problem to create connections to key points in Canada.

  • Build a pipeline to Churchill Manitoba, opening Canadian oil and natural resource products to foreign export markets.

What we need to do is put solar and wind on the top of every building in this country. Sound crazy? no it's not. This is a two fold win. let me explain, those resources can be refined here and sent elsewhere, creating jobs where everyone drives home in an electric car. We sell it to the USA. We sell our resources to where we can get a good buck for them.

  • Increase military funding to 5% GDP. Grant lifelong pensions to injured veterans.

We need to spend about 250 billion dollars to get the entire military up to speed. Drones are more viable than jets with pilots in them.

  • Allow employees to opt out of the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) in favor of private pension funds under government regulation.

The Entire CPP system is screwed up and needs to be abolished.

  • Reinstate the right to self-defense by introducing Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws.

The entire criminal justice system needs a complete reset and reboot.

  • In order to carry out this program, we propose a government with the authority of parliament on the grounds they be willing to execute this program.

To get that government with authority, you need to split the government into a minority situation where you are the balance of power that can choose how to play the game, like the Greens are doing in BC. That will show people your party is worth while to talk to.

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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2018, 08:03:34 PM »

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We don't need tax relief, we need a national taxation reform from the ground up. A complete reset and restart.

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For corporations sure, smaller businesses sure. We also need to redefine what is considered business income and personal income.

The resistance would be a whole lot from the religious lobby.. And other charities. 1000 years ago you never got a tax credit for your donation. you got your funeral covered by the church for being a great donor and maybe a spot on church grounds.



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How about this make their first 25k income tax free. After that they pay taxes on everything above. using a progressive income tax chart.

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25k for income for small businesses, where they don't pay income tax on their first 25k income, by doing that we can put in sin taxes on junk food and processed food.


and you never even replied to my healthcare idea :P
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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2018, 09:55:48 PM »

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it would entail opening the constitution and transferring health care to the feds, and then transferring it to the military.

I don't know what province you are in but I'm in BC, but we have billing between dr's offices, wcb, icbc, welfare health insurance, insurance companies, and different branches within the entire provincial organizations billing each other for healthcare services.

If you move to provide services and eliminate the billing, you now get more money for doctors and nurses and other staff. Eliminating administration across the country would amount to over 30 billion or more.

We got health authorities, administration offices that do what exactly? Billing, they do nothing for the healthcare system. They cost money, if we eliminated the current way of doing things and require people to purchase nonrefundable insurance while in the country that is not a citizen. We would have fewer issues.
 
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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2018, 10:16:11 PM »

“It took cancer to realize that being self-centered is not the way to live. The answer is to try and help others.” or "I want to try the impossible to show it can be done." or “I’ve said to people before that I’m going to do my very best to make it, I’m not going to give up. But I might not make it… if I don’t, the Marathon of Hope better continue.”

Terry Fox
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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2018, 10:19:27 PM »

I agree with point 8. In 1971, 97% of Canada’s population was European. In 2018, this number now stands at a diminished 64%. Therefore, we demand this demographic change (an agenda put forth by Pierre Trudeau and accelerated by Justin Trudeau) be discontinued immediately. However, it's probably going to be our Achilles heal. We might want to say Canadian instead. It's just so obviously racist. 
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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2018, 03:16:36 AM »

This is a duplicate from the thread, "What I did today" but I felt it also belonged here.

The term illegal immigrant should probably be added to #2. New immigrants already have to know Canadian history, language, and government (unless they're under 18). https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/become-canadian-citizen/eligibility.html#knowledge and https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/discover-canada/read-online/canadas-history.html.

Canadian citizenship is not granted until newcomers have been here between 2-3 years and after they pass a rigorous test anyways so keeping Ontario works (welfare) from new comers is a bit harsh, unnecessary and un-Canadian.

It seemed like someone wanted a solution after abolishing the carbon tax. I'd add investing in green energy AND bringing back the grants given to people who invest in more energy efficient and green energy upgrades on their homes and vehicles.

Number 4 might want to include couples who make less than 25k. Why not?

We need to change the wording about the trend of the reduction of Europeans. Maybe say control population growth. Maintain current demographics to ensure the survival of the Aboriginal people (ie. The Europeans, Mi'kmaq, Maliseet, Innu, Montagnais-Naskapi, Inuit, etc.). Perhaps have a policy that restricts the child birth rate or something. Most races breed faster than Europeans.

Fact is some people like multiculturalism and other don't. The compromise could be to have areas diverse and others ethnically pure. 

There are spelling errors that need to be fixed a well.

The nationalization of our bank could be clarified so that people see the flaws of our current financial system. Its not very well known that our monetary system is ran by people outside of the country. Maybe mention that the profits need to stay in Canada.

There was a lot of resistance to point 21. I personally don't understand it my self. If we have a majority gov, then why have the power of parliament?

Castle Doctrine seems a bit too far. Can you really raid your neighbours grain stores in the winter? Maybe use a different term like the right to carry a defense weapon instead of having to only flee and not fight. Human nature is fight or flight not just flight. Also adding the right to have a loaded weapon easily accessible but still out of the reach of children both at home and outside. Our current gun laws make using your weapon in self defense nearly impossible.

Perhaps jumping from 1.6 to 5% is a bit too fast too soon. Maybe make it more gradual. Also might wanna mention where the money is coming from so people aren't so off put by the extra money spending.

Like someone mentioned here about point one, I'd ignore it, considering he's a god send to anyone trying to oppose him. He makes us look good lol and it would be a waist of house time to try to impeach him. Time better spent on other things.
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Re: Our 21 Point Program
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2018, 10:32:04 PM »

Your right, and there is enough of "Euro-phobia" going around to make white people second guess them selves when saying pro white things like that point. My bad, I shall not to make the same mistake again.
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